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:* ''Position Patch Images'' needs to be renamed to ''Position of Responsibility'' images and sub-categorized to something logical (but, also manageable), such as:
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:: – Position of Responsibility images - Youth '''''←''' No images here; just sub-categories.''
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:: – Position of responsibility images - Youth '''''←''' No images here; just sub-categories.''
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:: – Position of Responsibility images - Adult '''''←''' No images here; just sub-categories.''
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This only addresses ''uniforming''. I'm sure I left out some possible sub-categories... While I focused on a Troop, additional sub-categories for Crews, Posts, Teams and Ships ''may'' be appropriate. I really don't want us to try to go any deeper with sub-categories than logically necessary... i.e., the "unit" level is what I'm thinking.
This only addresses ''uniforming''. I'm sure I left out some possible sub-categories... While I focused on a Troop, additional sub-categories for Crews, Posts, Teams and Ships ''may'' be appropriate. I really don't want us to try to go any deeper with sub-categories than logically necessary... i.e., the "unit" level is what I'm thinking.

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Image Category - Standardization

This is the top-level category for ALL images. And, this whole category needs to be standardized. But, we need to put some thought into this before we commit to a plan.

Here are some suggestions:

  • Obviously, punctuation and spelling needs to be addressed; e.g., "I"mages vs "i"mages?
  • Add a category for Uniform images... all uniforming images, of any type, should probably be sub-categorized hereunder. This might (should) include:
  • Required Insignia images
  • Award images
– Award images - Youth
– Advancement images
– Cub Scout advancement images
– Boy Scout rank images
– Varsity Scout advancement images
– Venturer advancement images
– Ship advancement images
– Post advancement images
– Merit Badge images
– 2010 Historical Merit Badge images
– Discontinued Merit Badge images
– Award images - Adult
– Knot images
  • Position Patch Images needs to be renamed to Position of responsibility images and sub-categorized to something logical (but, also manageable), such as:
– Position of responsibility images - Youth No images here; just sub-categories.
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Troop)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Team)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Crew)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Ship)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Post)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (OA)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Region)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (Area)
– Position of responsibility images - Youth (National)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult No images here; just sub-categories.
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Pack)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Troop)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Team)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Crew)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Ship)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Post)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (OA)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Region)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Area)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (National)
– Position of responsibility images - Adult (Professional)
  • OA images
– Lodge flap images
  • Temporary insignia images
  • Miscellaneous uniform images

This only addresses uniforming. I'm sure I left out some possible sub-categories... While I focused on a Troop, additional sub-categories for Crews, Posts, Teams and Ships may be appropriate. I really don't want us to try to go any deeper with sub-categories than logically necessary... i.e., the "unit" level is what I'm thinking.

Image categories other than uniforming also need to be addressed.

The good news: "Stacking" categories and sub-categories is, in and of itself, handled by MediaWiki "automatically".

The bad news: Every image must be categorized (or re-categorized, as the case may be) to the most appropriate lowest-level category. This, like many tasks in MediaWiki, can be quite tedious to go back and re-do (fix-up, improve), if sufficient forethought is not put into the project beforehand.

So, please post your comments, ideas, suggestions, etc. Also, if you are interested in working this project, please do not hesitate to speak up. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 19:01, October 12, 2010 (EDT)

I couldn't agree more with the need to categorize and standardize the categorizations of the images. Sadly, I've uploaded at least one duplicate file due to other files not being categorized.
For non-uniform categories, would it make the most sense to make the top-level topics (e.g. first aid, portraits, ropework) than program? Care needs to be taken not to overlap names (e.g. what are knot images? Cloth awards or something you tie?)
I would love to help with this project. Ajames15 21:50, October 12, 2010 (EDT)

Grammar and Punctuation

My opinion is that we label categories with the same convention as with publications, all words in caps except articles and prepositions. This would include the word "images."

Example: "Boy Scout Images" and "Scouts in the World Images" Ajames15 21:54, October 12, 2010 (EDT)

I think that the image categories should be exactly as suggested above by User:RWSmith, with a lowercase i. scouterdennis 19:13, December 4, 2010 (EST)
AGREED! We must take the MediaWiki software "page-naming convention" and "search feature" restrictions into consideration here.
MediaWiki software "sees" lower-case vs. upper-case characters differently, depending upon the circumstances.
Two different pages can have the identical name, where capitalization is the only difference. In other words, an article named "Fish and wildlife management" and another one named "Fish and Wildlife Management" would result in two completely different pages.
Use of upper-case characters in page names should be avoided, except under the following circumstances... Article title format. See also: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization). So, it is crucial for maximizing our (internal) search feature, not to mention (external) search engine optimization results.RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 15:06, December 5, 2010 (EST)
I COMPLETELY agree that the Wikipedia naming convention is the ideal. When I first came to meritbadge.org, there were some traditions in place that I have since grown to accept (e.g. Positions of Responsibility and Merit Badges), but it looks like that may be being reevaluated...? scouterdennis 20:09, December 5, 2010 (EST)
I believe then, that we all agree now to using the Wikipedia naming conventions. I was not as familiar with them as I ought to have been. Should we reconsider the use of upper-case in "Positions of Responsibility" then, as stated previously? Ajames15 22:52, December 29, 2010 (EST)
(Oops!) Yes. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 12:12, December 30, 2010 (EST)

Feedback?

Has there been any feedback on this issue outside of the wiki? I found that the Patrol Leader patch image was uncategorized, so I categorized it as suggested about by RWSmith. How long do we wait for more feedback before someone can proceed with this undertaking? I currently have another mborg project I am working on, but I could start chipping away on this as a diversion once we have agreed on the format. scouterdennis 19:19, December 4, 2010 (EST)

Let's focus on using the Insignia Guide as our guide for formatting these categories; while already having this in mind, I have further tweaked the initial list...
  • Uniform images No images here; just sub-categories.
  • Required uniform images
As noted in the Insignia Guide -- e.g., CSP, shoulder loops, US flag, etc.
  • Award images Only images applicable to both youth and adults go here; all others go below...
  • Medals and embroidered knot images Some of these may be additionally sub-categorized where appropriate (below)...
– Award images (Youth) Only images applicable to all youth (and not further categorized elsewhere) go here.
– Advancement images
– Cub Scout advancement images
– Webelos Scout activity pin images
– Boy Scout rank images
– Varsity Scout advancement images
– Venturer advancement images
– Ship advancement images
– Post advancement images
– Merit Badge images
– Eagle required merit badge images (white border)
– Non-Eagle required merit badge images (green border)
– 2010 Historical Merit Badge images (gold border)
– Discontinued Merit Badge images
– Award images (Adult)
  • Position Patch Images needs to be renamed to Position of Responsibility images and sub-categorized to something logical (but, also manageable), such as:
– Position of responsibility images No images here; just sub-categories.
– Position of Responsibility images (Area)
– Position of Responsibility images (Crew)
– Position of Responsibility images (Council/District)
– Position of Responsibility images (National)
– Position of Responsibility images (Pack)
– Position of Responsibility images (Post)
– Position of Responsibility images (Professional)
– Position of Responsibility images (OA)
– Position of Responsibility images (Team)
– Position of Responsibility images (Troop)
– Position of Responsibility images (Region)
– Position of Responsibility images (Ship)
  • OA insignia images
– Lodge flap images
  • Temporary insignia images
This applies to any patch that goes on the right breast pocket.
  • Miscellaneous insignia images
Nameplate, interpreter strip, varsity strip, venture strip, etc.
  • Non-uniform award images No images here; just sub-categories.
  • Swim trunks
E.g., Mile Swim BSA, BSA Lifeguard, Scuba BSA, Kayaking BSA, Boardsailing BSA, Snorkeling BSA
  • Equipment images
May be awards; but, are not permitted to be worn on the uniform (or swim trunks). E.g., 50-miler award, Historic trails award (patch)

The above is suggested; you are welcome to tweak it. (Other image categories other than uniforming still need to be addressed.) —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 15:06, December 5, 2010 (EST)

Minor changes to last post. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 10:56, December 11, 2010 (EST)
Minor changes to last post. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 12:15, December 30, 2010 (EST)
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