Talk:Citizenship in the Nation

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Links to wikipedia? Are there no better links than to wikipedia? It's notoriously incorrect because it changes with the public whim.
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Links to wikipedia? Are there no better links than to wikipedia? It's notoriously incorrect because it changes with the public whim. {{unsigned|EagleForumFan|2008-11-22T06:33:58}}
:EagleForumFan - Wikipedias are far from perfect, just like this one. Please see [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Criteria for acceptable external links policy|Criteria for acceptable external links policy]]. What errors have you found in the linked content? We should find other links right away. — ''[[User:Milominderbinder2|Milominderbinder2]] [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'' 03:46, November 23, 2008 (EST)
:EagleForumFan - Wikipedias are far from perfect, just like this one. Please see [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Criteria for acceptable external links policy|Criteria for acceptable external links policy]]. What errors have you found in the linked content? We should find other links right away. — ''[[User:Milominderbinder2|Milominderbinder2]] [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'' 03:46, November 23, 2008 (EST)
:: That's my point. Linking to a Wikipedia page means that content that the sysops have approved is not necessarily the same content that's now linked. I haven't gone through all the wiki links, but it's my considerable experience that people who post to wikipedia often have agendas. For instance, if you'll look at the Obama wiki page, it's highly evident. If we're just linking to wikipedia, what's the point? Scouts should go to wikipedia first then. It just feels like it grossly waters down this site. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 15:44, November 25, 2008 (EST)
:: That's my point. Linking to a Wikipedia page means that content that the sysops have approved is not necessarily the same content that's now linked. I haven't gone through all the wiki links, but it's my considerable experience that people who post to wikipedia often have agendas. For instance, if you'll look at the Obama wiki page, it's highly evident. If we're just linking to wikipedia, what's the point? Scouts should go to wikipedia first then. It just feels like it grossly waters down this site. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 15:44, November 25, 2008 (EST)

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  • Links to wikipedia? Are there no better links than to wikipedia? It's notoriously incorrect because it changes with the public whim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EagleForumFan (talkcontribs) 2008-11-22T06:33:58. (Please, sign and date your posts on talk pages.)

    EagleForumFan - Wikipedias are far from perfect, just like this one. Please see Criteria for acceptable external links policy. What errors have you found in the linked content? We should find other links right away. — Milominderbinder2 (Sysop) 03:46, November 23, 2008 (EST)
    That's my point. Linking to a Wikipedia page means that content that the sysops have approved is not necessarily the same content that's now linked. I haven't gone through all the wiki links, but it's my considerable experience that people who post to wikipedia often have agendas. For instance, if you'll look at the Obama wiki page, it's highly evident. If we're just linking to wikipedia, what's the point? Scouts should go to wikipedia first then. It just feels like it grossly waters down this site. EagleForumFan 15:44, November 25, 2008 (EST)
    As to Scouting content, Wikipedia has articles that overlap in some areas but they lack the 200 worksheets and the wealth of other articles MeritBadge.Org offers. As to links to sites with political agendas, the Criteria for acceptable external links policy flatly states that we should avoid those links. As to accuracy, in 2005, a study by the journal Nature found that Wikipedia was "...about as accurate as Britannica." The Library Journal did a study in 2006 and found that "Wikipedia may be granted the librarian’s seal of approval." MeritBadge.Org is also a Wikipedia with nearly 5,000 editors registered here. Please add the better links that you have found for Citizenship in the Nation or any other pages. Our goal is to provide a wealth of resources for every requirement. And as we quote on every merit badge page: "You should read the merit badge pamphlet on the subject." That is the best resource.
    What errors have you found in the links on MeritBadge.Org? Please help us remove bad links and add more and better links.— Milominderbinder2 (Sysop) 19:42, November 25, 2008 (EST)
    I haven't yet. It just feels like a lazy way out. The "Why not just go to Wikipedia in the first place?" came from my Scout son. *sigh* If the majority of links become simply links to Wiki, I don't have a good response to that.EagleForumFan 00:55, November 26, 2008 (EST)
    Eagle, I am happy to hear that you haven't actually found any errors yet. Please help us find multiple links for all 2,000 requirements in the 200 awards, ranks, and merit badges. Instead of talking about adding links, anyone can just add them. For each link that we have to Wikipedia, would you add at least one link to a better, more reputable site with better content? Please avoid sites with unlisted phone numbers and secret identities. I have only really worked on links for 31 awards so far. I do not mean to be lazy. It is just a slow process for me.Milominderbinder2 (Sysop) 13:35, November 26, 2008 (EST)
    Hard to tell in black and white, but I wasn't calling you lazy (obviously would not be true); only that there are better resources. I'm happy to help, as are my boys. ty.04:26, November 27, 2008 (EST)
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