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    Requirements updated

    The requirements were updated in 2009, these requirements are out of date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassbusta (talkcontribs) March 24, 1010. (Please, sign and date your posts on talk pages.)

    NVU software

    Although still available, is no longer under development. It's replacement package is called KompoZer, which shares much of the same source code as NVU, but had been updated to current coding standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmpenn (talkcontribs) December 29, 2007. (Please, sign and date your posts on talk pages.)

    Copyrights discussion

    Note: This heading was previously titled: "Requirement 9.a."

    From January 1, 2006, through December 31, 2010, the requirements about copyrights read as follows:
    9. Explain the following to your counselor:
    a. Why it is not permissible to accept a free copy of a copyrighted computer game or program from a friend.
    b. The restrictions and limitations of downloading music from the Internet.
    c. Why copyright laws exist.
    As of January 1, 2010, the (current) requirements about copyrights read as follows:
    8. Explain the following to your counselor:
    a. Why copyright laws exist.
    b. Why it is not permissible to accept a paid, copyrighted computer game or program from a friend unless the game or program is considered freeware or shareware. Explain the concepts of freeware and shareware.
    c. The restrictions and limitations of downloading music from the Internet.
    RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 11:33, February 17, 2011 (EST)

    I have concerns about the wording of requirement 9.a. It gives the impression that it is always wrong to give or receive a copy of a computer program that is protected by copyright.

    This is not necessarily true; nearly all open-source software programs are protected by copyright, and they encourage redistribution (i.e. giving copies to friends). For example, not only is it not illegal for me to make a copy of and give it to a friend, it would be encouraged by and Sun Microsystems (the copyright holder).

    The requirement should be that Scouts should not accept free copies of copyrighted software if redistribution is restricted. Are others simply adhering strictly to the requirement or going further and explaining it correctly to Scouts? --Mryan 20:03, February 6, 2008 (EST)

    I respectfully disagree. There are various types of copyrights and terms-of-usage. OpenOffice is licensed under GPL (Gnu Public License) and other packages fall under Apache or Mozilla Public License agreements, etc. Open source projects are hence deliberately not covered by conventional copyrights precisely in order to avoid this conflict and make this specific distinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjk (talkcontribs) 12:59, October 15, 2009. (Please, sign and date your posts on talk pages.)
    I have to object as well. Copyright in terms of the legal concept is distinct from the licenses that are really the topic here, which define the agreement between the user and the copyright holder. I feel the merit badge is lopsided in it's treatment of these topics, but this is not the place for that discussion(right?).
    To avoid talking too much about the subject matter here, which we are asked not to do, I will observe that "Requirements resource #6" states that is a freeware office suite. is _not_ freeware in any sense. Wikipedia makes it clear that freeware does not refer to "free software"(ala free software foundation) and "open source" software( The website makes it clear OOo is LGPLv3, which makes it "free software" ala "Free Software Foundation's" definition. This is actually an important distinction that I feel should be corrected in "Requirements resource #6". I'm new here, so I guess I'll try my hand at the update, since that seems to be the intention of the site. I'm of course open to constructive correction however :-) --Bill5107 20:54, February 16, 2011 (EST)
    Bill5107, I understand your points, which were well stated, BTW. However, since I have not read the details as covered in the current Computers merit badge pamphlet, I really can't say, exactly, how National covers this issue, in detail; though, I would like to know. Maybe I'll pick up a copy and read what it has to say about this.
    See also: Computers MB pamphlet, Details about "Req. 8" (Copyrights)RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 11:33, February 17, 2011 (EST)

    Field of study

    How is it that computers is classified in "physical science"? FWIW, I suggest a "field" of Technology be created... but there could be a better way to put it. --Estrabd 15:10, January 3, 2010 (EST)

    I understand your suggestion; but actually, there's a bit more to it than that. National determines what the fields of study are, as well as categorizing merit badges in those fields. While this categorization process technically remains in place, it is a throw-back to the days when advancement required a certain number of merit badges from different fields of study. That does not mean field of study is no longer relevant; it still is... at a national level, e.g., from a program perspective. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 13:37, May 14, 2010 (EDT)

    Duplicate Requirement

    Requirement 6h and 7a are the same. Which is it? Gregoryo1 01:06, January 22, 2011 (EST)

    While these two requirements are very similar, they are in fact correctly written. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 10:29, January 22, 2011 (EST)
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